this guy is crazy.. he said Fedor hasnt fought anybody since the late 90's when Fedor didn't start fighting till 2000 lol
and in the other interview he said he hasn't fought anybody since 04 and 05 so he has gone down about 5 years, So in a couple of interviews we'll hear him say that Fedor hasn't fought anybody since the early 80's|||
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Dana_White_s_Current_Take_On_Fedor?vid=10011245&tid=104
this guy is crazy.. he said Fedor hasnt fought anybody since the late 90's when Fedor didn't start fighting till 2000 lol
and in the other interview he said he hasn't fought anybody since 04 and 05 so he has gone down about 5 years, So in a couple of interviews we'll hear him say that Fedor hasn't fought anybody since the early 80's
I dont think he actually means by the late 90s. I think hes basically saying Fedors legacy sucks or something like that|||Well why say the late 90s if he didn't mean the late 90s. Why not say 2005 or something along those lines when he fought CroCop?! He must be talking about some other Russian, Oleg Taktarov or someone :) What a douche...|||Another thing that bugs me about what he said is his top 5 p4p.. He put Frankie Edgar at number4!!! But he doesn't have Shogun anywhere on that list.. Im a little biased though as Rua is my Favorite fighter lol I think Shogun is number 2 p4p just my thought though.|||I think he's gone for the lighter weight classes to 'prove' he understands what p4p means even though GSP, Anderson and probably Penn usually go into fights where they are heavier than their opponents. Fedor usually fights at a big weight disadvantage and he's never lost so to not have him in the top 5 p4p just doesn't make any sense.|||I don't know, that footage is definately doctored (the laughing scenes and what not). He could have been talking about someone/ something else as far as the 90's stuff goes, and the person cutting the vid just made it look that way. I just can't see Dana saying something THAT ridiculous and off base, especially since the cat has long been out of the bag on him wanting Fedor in the UFC.
But IF Dana is saying all this, and it is verbatum? Than it is total nonsense, and even he knows it.
What I will agree slightly with Dana on (if he's even said it) is that Fedor's opposition has gone down hill since his PRIDE days. I really don't see how that is up for debate.
Sure guys like Sylvia and AA were ranked, but to me its clear they were not 'prime' anymore when Fedor fought them. I'll give him all the cred in the world though for beating Arlovski. But Sylvia? No way on that one. Same goes for Rogers. They are/were ranked, but there are guys out there at HW that presented MORE danger to Fedor in a fight than Rogers and Sylvia at the time that Fedor fought them.
Same goes for the whole Werdum thing, Fedor isn't even fighting the most dangerous person outside the UFC at HW for him in his next fight. I would say that Overeem and Barnett (even though I don't think much of Barnett) are fights that actually present more danger of Fedor being challenged than Werdum.
I'm not saying that Werdum is a terrible fighter, or that he stinks. I'm just saying that there are at least 5-6 fighters at HW in MMA that I would easily rather see Fedor fight and think that Fedor could actually lose to before I'd even consider Werdum currently.
Hate on these statement all you want, but I think they are fair. Fedor is a legend as I said in another thread wether or not he EVER fights for the UFC. But most of that legend is built on what he did in PRIDE through 2006 (4 years ago). Not really on what he's done since, or recently. If Dana would have just put it that way, he'd have a pretty valid point imo.|||
|||Id like to see what the top10 was like when Fedor fought Arlovski and Sylvia. Because obviously most of those fighters at the time, in the top10 HW division, were in the UFC. I still believe he challenged some good guys in these 2.|||He's obviously talking about Viacheslav Datsik who beat Arlovski in '99 :) Anyway, who cares what Dana White says- he used to bash the h*ll out of Wanderlei before he signed him too.|||Just goes to show you how psychotically biased Dana is towards his own product. He's just completely making up stuff now.
I don't know, that footage is definately doctored (the laughing scenes and what not). He could have been talking about someone/ something else as far as the 90's stuff goes, and the person cutting the vid just made it look that way. I just can't see Dana saying something THAT ridiculous and off base, especially since the cat has long been out of the bag on him wanting Fedor in the UFC.
But IF Dana is saying all this, and it is verbatum? Than it is total nonsense, and even he knows it.
What I will agree slightly with Dana on (if he's even said it) is that Fedor's opposition has gone down hill since his PRIDE days. I really don't see how that is up for debate.
Sure guys like Sylvia and AA were ranked, but to me its clear they were not 'prime' anymore when Fedor fought them. I'll give him all the cred in the world though for beating Arlovski. But Sylvia? No way on that one. Same goes for Rogers. They are/were ranked, but there are guys out there at HW that presented MORE danger to Fedor in a fight than Rogers and Sylvia at the time that Fedor fought them.
Same goes for the whole Werdum thing, Fedor isn't even fighting the most dangerous person outside the UFC at HW for him in his next fight. I would say that Overeem and Barnett (even though I don't think much of Barnett) are fights that actually present more danger of Fedor being challenged than Werdum.
I'm not saying that Werdum is a terrible fighter, or that he stinks. I'm just saying that there are at least 5-6 fighters at HW in MMA that I would easily rather see Fedor fight and think that Fedor could actually lose to before I'd even consider Werdum currently.
Hate on these statement all you want, but I think they are fair. Fedor is a legend as I said in another thread wether or not he EVER fights for the UFC. But most of that legend is built on what he did in PRIDE through 2006 (4 years ago). Not really on what he's done since, or recently. If Dana would have just put it that way, he'd have a pretty valid point imo.
I generally defend Dana because there are a lot of scumbags out there that would be worse than Dana, but this is where Dana hurts the sport. You know there are a lot of fans out there that are eating this stuff up, like Mike Straka and the Undisputed forum members, that are going to parrot statements like this.
Dana can bury good fighters, and this sport doesn't need that from the monopoly.|||
The original, uneditted version.
Some funny stuff including how UFC 2010 is a COMPLETELY different game from UFC 2009 :)
MMA in the olympics?! Good luck on that one.
Dana starts talking smack on Fedor at about 4.30. He says 'He hasn't fought anyone since the late 90s' not once, but twice and with conviction. The panel just lap it up...|||
I don't know, that footage is definately doctored (the laughing scenes and what not). He could have been talking about someone/ something else as far as the 90's stuff goes, and the person cutting the vid just made it look that way. I just can't see Dana saying something THAT ridiculous and off base, especially since the cat has long been out of the bag on him wanting Fedor in the UFC.
But IF Dana is saying all this, and it is verbatum? Than it is total nonsense, and even he knows it.
What I will agree slightly with Dana on (if he's even said it) is that Fedor's opposition has gone down hill since his PRIDE days. I really don't see how that is up for debate.
Sure guys like Sylvia and AA were ranked, but to me its clear they were not 'prime' anymore when Fedor fought them. I'll give him all the cred in the world though for beating Arlovski. But Sylvia? No way on that one. Same goes for Rogers. They are/were ranked, but there are guys out there at HW that presented MORE danger to Fedor in a fight than Rogers and Sylvia at the time that Fedor fought them.
Same goes for the whole Werdum thing, Fedor isn't even fighting the most dangerous person outside the UFC at HW for him in his next fight. I would say that Overeem and Barnett (even though I don't think much of Barnett) are fights that actually present more danger of Fedor being challenged than Werdum.
I'm not saying that Werdum is a terrible fighter, or that he stinks. I'm just saying that there are at least 5-6 fighters at HW in MMA that I would easily rather see Fedor fight and think that Fedor could actually lose to before I'd even consider Werdum currently.
Hate on these statement all you want, but I think they are fair. Fedor is a legend as I said in another thread wether or not he EVER fights for the UFC. But most of that legend is built on what he did in PRIDE through 2006 (4 years ago). Not really on what he's done since, or recently. If Dana would have just put it that way, he'd have a pretty valid point imo.
I just want to know BEFORE July 19th 2008, the date he fought Sylvia, who else was there at the top of the HW division. The only names I can think of is Frank Mir, Arlovski, Josh Barnett....you know maybe im missing a few, but back then the top names of today just werent there 2 years ago. I dont even think people considerd Overeem a top guy in the HW division 2 years ago even though he became the first StrikeForce HW champion. And the fight with Barnett, he fuked that up himself and imo should never be considerd a top HW now that he has been caught 3 times.
All im saying is that before the fight with Sylvia and Arlovski nobody was saying that these guys were past their primes and in fact people doubted Fedor's chances. It wasnt until after the fact that Fedor beat them in stunning fashion that people threw them aside Dana White style basicly saying they were nothing to begin with.
And again this is all just in my opinion which means * but anyway I think a lot of it has to do with people just takeing away credit from Fedor by comming up with all these excuses that they WANT to believe when its just not true or its more than some black and white fact and that theres more to it than what people want to see.
Also I can agree that I would rather want to see Fedor vs Brock or Carwin or any of the top 4 in the UFC RATHER THAN him fighting Werdum, but I think we all need to stop saying that Fedor should be fighting this guy or should be fighting this guy when we all know this isnt going to happen. Fedor is under contract with Strikeforce and theres only so many guys that are in the top 10 HW division (the #2 HW in the world Overeem imo) that he can fight. I think the chances of Fedor fighting Overeem are pretty high for his 3rd and last fight for Strikeforce. I also believe that if Fedor would be fighting Overeem on the 26th rather than Werdum and he actually wins that fight. I think there would be more of an uproar from the fans because his last fight for strikeforce would be vs Werdum or Big Foot, and quite possibly could be his last MMA fight overall. So I think his last fight vs Overeem would be more of a fan pleaser and imo would be a much better fight that UFC could not compete with ATM.
ehhhhhhhhh idk what else? Eagles are going to win the superbowl :)
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Id like to see what the top10 was like when Fedor fought Arlovski and Sylvia. Because obviously most of those fighters at the time, in the top10 HW division, were in the UFC. I still believe he challenged some good guys in these 2.
-Wooooo505
I just want to know BEFORE July 19th 2008, the date he fought Sylvia, who else was there at the top of the HW division.
Sylvia and AA were both ranked in the top-10 at HW when they fought Fedor. AA was #2 on most sites.
That said, please at least read my reasoning though and try and digest it before you judge my statements, there is always a method to my madness, I promise :) :
Throw the rankings aside for a minute here (you can't always judge fighters on that because there are many things including opinions themselves that come down to asigning those rankings). Arlovski was basically Sylvias beotch before he left the UFC. Arlovski went on a 5 fight win streak (after the final loss to Sylvia) mostly outside of the UFC before fighting Fedor, but he beat fighters that weren't really anything to write home about in that span. But still, when you're a major name in the sport still and you go on a 5 fight win streak, it gets you ranked.
Sylvia got owned seriously bad by Randy Couture before he left the UFC and it really is after that fight that most sites and writers were saying that Sylvia was starting to slip, basically most people felt Randy broke him.
You also have to consider the ABSOLUTE slide both Arlovski and Sylvia have been on since they fought, or just before they fought Fedor. The point here is, they did not at all still posess that tuff image they had while they were champions in the UFC. But that happens once you get exposed a few times. You become more mortal. And AA and Sylvia were exposed Long before Fedor fought them. That does not mean that a fight like the Arlovski fight was meaningless or not at all impressive, it just doesn't hold the same value as Fedor beating them while they were really on top of their games.
And now for my explanation as to why I think rankings aren't always the be all end all:
Look, I am not saying that Fedor hasn't recently fought ranked opposition. He has. But you also need to consider the flip side to that equation too, I mean Anderson Silva beat a ranked Damian Maia and ranked Thales Leties recently as well. But were those really impressive fights against guys that are really impressive fighters? No, at least not from an MMA perspective imo. Doesn't mean that Silva shouldn't get any credit for beating them, after all they were ranked guys, but look at it realistically, there are/were other guys out there that you could point to that would have presented more danger to Silva at that time (in theory of course) such as Belfort or Gegard Mousassi (yes I am aware that fighting Gegard would not happen, its just a name of a fighter relatively close in size to Silva that would be a better fight is all to back up my point).
And this really is my point on this whole topic. I really don't always judge a fighter and his fights by the way he or his opposition is ranked. Why? Because any number of variables can go into why those rankings are in place, after all they are just numbers. I mean, you do realize that before Alistair Overeem fought Rogers recently he was NOT ranked in the top-10 HW''s by almost ANY reputable site. And that was just based off the fact that he hasn't been that active, not based off of how good he actually is as a fighter.
Oh, and I could name a few HW's in MMA around the times that Fedor fought Arlovski and Sylvia that I feel would have been better fights that presented more danger, but I've been down that path before and I know better than to do that lol. I feel I have explained my reasoning enough here on why I feel the way I do without having to get into a WHOLE other topic/flame war with anybody about who I actually think would have been better match-ups for Fedor around those time-periods. Lets just say, there are a few names I could mention. But I'll let you guys draw your own conclusions on that, because I'm sure you will anyways :)|||You're wrong mazter...he hasnt fought anybody since the late 90's so get over it :)
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