..My god.|||I heard a "hardcore Holly" refrence in there so I guess they are all WWF fans...
Not to sound like an elitist douche but those sort of people are the last thing the sport needs. Idiots that don't know * about the sport but just blindly watch because their WWF heroes are joining in.
Fortunately they'll likely scamper when Brock is beaten by a legit contender.|||I know how you feel. Pretty soon they'll start training UFC themselves and be like there hero.|||Funily enough, in the mid 90's Tank Abbott had the exact same effect on MMA. His bar brawler style had a bunch of fat, untrained idiots going into gyms all across the States. Needless to say they all got their fat * handed to them and they left the sport as quick as Tank did.
Lesnar is having the same effect. People that don't really know anything about the sport jumping in because a familiar face has led them here. It'll always end the same way, just as the out of shape idiots of the 90's went back to doing what they do best (beating each other up in bar room brawls) the WWF fans will go back to watching wrestling.|||
I heard a "hardcore Holly" refrence in there so I guess they are all WWF fans...
Not to sound like an elitist douche but those sort of people are the last thing the sport needs. Idiots that don't know * about the sport but just blindly watch because their WWF heroes are joining in.
Fortunately they'll likely scamper when Brock is beaten by a legit contender.
ALL sports that achieve great financial gain and popularity suffer form this. Its part of it, as is the elitist doosh who looks down on them.
Why let someone elses fandom effect yours?|||
I heard a "hardcore Holly" refrence in there so I guess they are all WWF fans...
Not to sound like an elitist douche but those sort of people are the last thing the sport needs. Idiots that don't know * about the sport but just blindly watch because their WWF heroes are joining in.
Fortunately they'll likely scamper when Brock is beaten by a legit contender.
ALL sports that achieve great financial gain and popularity suffer form this. Its part of it, as is the elitist doosh who looks down on them.
Why let someone elses fandom effect yours?
Their stupid comments infuriate me.
Not to mention when MMA media AKA Zuffa tricks name guys like Brock Lesnar as the best heavyweight in the world. I hate how Dana White controls MMA media. Say anything negative about them and you're blacklisted from anything Zuffa related.|||
Their stupid comments infuriate me.
Not to mention when MMA media AKA Zuffa tricks name guys like Brock Lesnar as the best heavyweight in the world. I hate how Dana White controls MMA media. Say anything negative about them and you're blacklisted from anything Zuffa related.
There are people that have felt the same in reverse about Fedor.
Doesn't matter really, even if the UFC didn't exsist, it would be whatever 'other' org was on top doing the same types of things.|||Could've done without the gay porn audition at the end... but funny as hell nonetheless :)|||
Their stupid comments infuriate me.
Not to mention when MMA media AKA Zuffa tricks name guys like Brock Lesnar as the best heavyweight in the world. I hate how Dana White controls MMA media. Say anything negative about them and you're blacklisted from anything Zuffa related.
There are people that have felt the same in reverse about Fedor.
Doesn't matter really, even if the UFC didn't exsist, it would be whatever 'other' org was on top doing the same types of things.
i didnt really see any MMA Media naming brock the 'best HW in the world' until after he beat carwin. after that, i think he has a very legit case to be mentioned in the debate. just b/c he is being listed does not mean that particular site/mag is a 'zuffa trick' or whatever. not saying they dont try & influence the media, but its not always the case.|||
Their stupid comments infuriate me.
Not to mention when MMA media AKA Zuffa tricks name guys like Brock Lesnar as the best heavyweight in the world. I hate how Dana White controls MMA media. Say anything negative about them and you're blacklisted from anything Zuffa related.
There are people that have felt the same in reverse about Fedor.
Doesn't matter really, even if the UFC didn't exsist, it would be whatever 'other' org was on top doing the same types of things.
i didnt really see any MMA Media naming brock the 'best HW in the world' until after he beat carwin. after that, i think he has a very legit case to be mentioned in the debate. just b/c he is being listed does not mean that particular site/mag is a 'zuffa trick' or whatever. not saying they dont try & influence the media, but its not always the case.
If you don't see it, you clearly aren't looking. Practically every major MMA production has Lesnar as number one on their rankings from Sherdog to Fight! and it's delusional to think that both of these publications aren't Zuffa tricks. Their entire news system is based around that of the UFC, so if they lose the right to interview Zuffa fighters, attend Zuffa events ect, they lose a good deal of their worth.
I might sound crazy but I honestly believe that Zuffa has a lot of influence over American MMA media, to the point that they can practically dictate what they publish. I remember a while ago, Sherdog did an article about which UFC fighters should probably retire.
It wasn't exactly the worlds greatest article but it was interesting nonetheless. Then Dana went on video to call these guys idiots, saying that they should be writing about how awesome the next UFC event is going to be. Ever since Sherdog tasted Dana banhammer they have been nothing but his b*tch.
Woah, that turned into somewhat of a rant. But yeah, I don't hate the UFC or Lesnar, but it's absolutely retarded for anyone to think that Brock Lesnar, a man with five wins and one loss, ranks higher than a guy that went undefeated for a decade.
It's the UFC bullsh*t. If Lesnar wasn't given a title shot against a rusty Randy Couture, a man whom he outweighed but at least forty pounds, no one would be talking about him. It's the aura of that belt, but let's be realistic, his win over Couture meant absolutely nothing.
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If you don't see it, you clearly aren't looking. Practically every major MMA production has Lesnar as number one on their rankings from Sherdog to Fight! and it's delusional to think that both of these publications aren't Zuffa tricks. Their entire news system is based around that of the UFC, so if they lose the right to interview Zuffa fighters, attend Zuffa events ect, they lose a good deal of their worth.
And alomost 100% of them had Fedor at the top for yeeeeeeeeeears, until he lost recently.
So, what were they up until that point?|||
Woah, that turned into somewhat of a rant. But yeah, I don't hate the UFC or Lesnar, but it's absolutely retarded for anyone to think that Brock Lesnar, a man with five wins and one loss, ranks higher than a guy that went undefeated for a decade.
they are called 'CURRENT' rankings for a reason. your resume, especially from 5 years back, has nothing to do with it. how hard is that to understand. seems like thats missed on every point about fedor/rankings.
you act like its a personal thing w/brock & for you im sure it is. but i'd bet (dont know, sh*tdog is just that - sh*t) they have werdum ahead of fedor as well. regardless of how you feel about each respective fighter, or the fight itself, he has earned that place for his ranking to be ahead of fedor's. same with edgar/penn. i may think penn is better fighter, but edgar right now is the #1 ranked LW im sure. as he should be.
who you beat 5 yrs ago does not, & absolutely should not, matter in a current div ranking.
regarding lesnar, brock has beaten stiffer competition in the last few years than fedor has faced in the past 4-5. once lesnar won & fedor lost around the same time, that leapfrog was justified IMO. they are not 'GOAT' rankings.
really, all i had to read was something about sh*tdog being zuffas trick & i could have stopped there.|||
Not to sound like an elitist douche but those sort of people are the last thing the sport needs. Idiots that don't know * about the sport but just blindly watch because their WWF heroes are joining in.
Pro wrestling fans and pro wrestlers built the sport you so dearly love.
PANCRASE was created to pit pro wrestlers from the UWF-i and Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Group against real fighters. PRIDE was created for the sole purpose of a fight between Nobuhiko Takada from the UWF-i and Rickson Gracie. A former pro wrestler turned MMA promoter by the name of Akira Maeda located the best fighters in the world, and gave them an avenue to apply their craft long before they were famous,yes, a pro wrestler gave Fedor his first MMA fight he also helped the nogueira brothers, Overeem and Arona and many more. Antonio Inoki gave Machida ppv exposure for his first fight ever. I could go on and on and might if you refuse to see the truth.
You should embrace the new fans, you have forgotten the days when we had to order tapes from japan and wait 2 weeks just to watch a show.|||
regarding lesnar, brock has beaten stiffer competition in the last few years than fedor has faced in the past 4-5. once lesnar won & fedor lost around the same time, that leapfrog was justified IMO. they are not 'GOAT' rankings.
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Lmao, dude are you serious?
In the last five years Fedor has beaten TK, a PRIME Cro Cop (When he was killing everyone, Matt Lindland, Andrei Arlovski, Tim Sylvia and Brett Rogers, a man I considered to be the Shane Carwin of Strikeforce.
Lesnar has just two reputable wins on his resume, his win over Mir, who he'd already lost to, and Carwin, who himself hasn't exactly faced the stiffest of competition.
Herring = Journeyman bum, Min Soo Kim = the same, Randy Couture = an over the hill Light Heavyweight, Shane Carwin = completely untested against any decent level opposition aside from Mir.
Aside from Mir and Big Nog (Both of which have completely fallen off of the wagon) the UFC has no real tested heavyweight veterans, it's just a bunch of has beens, prospects and journeymen.|||
Randy Couture = an over the hill Light Heavyweight
If the dream fight between Couture and Fedor would have happened before the Lesnar fight, you would have to put him in your top 5 of credible guys Fedor has fought in the last 5 years. But since Brock got the fight AND WON, Couture gets no respect. If Sylvia is on your list, Couture would have to be higher, top 3 for sure.
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